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Wim Decraene (decraew)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 447
iconBruno:
You should translate what the paragraph is trying to say, and not just what it says.


True, although the further you go from the original translation, the harder any subsequent updates become.

This also supposes that the translator fully understands what the original writer is trying to say. Otherwise you are stuck translating line by line. I know that when working with Stijn on the dilucot translation I didn't grasp everything Bart was trying to say. :blush:
2010-12-23 08:28
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chti_lolo
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I agree with Wim. The major issue is that we don't have the same skillness as Bart and so we have to stick to the original text when it is not very clear for us.

So maybe it would be a good idea to open a new thread where people involved in the translation work could ask for or find some more explanations on parts of the text from higher skill level members.
2010-12-23 13:54
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Paul
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From: United States
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There will be new English versions up as soon as Bart has time to approve them. Hopefully (don't mess with me Robin), that will make it a little easier to know what he was trying to say.

Robin,

You know you're one of my favorite people on the planet, right?

:lol:
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2010-12-23 15:03
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Robin
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iconrichmondesi:
Robin,

You know you're one of my favorite people on the planet, right?

:lol:


Paul,

Absolutely. And my avatar represents the fact that fist can be a verb.

Love, hugs, and kisses,
Robin
2010-12-23 15:12
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Woodash
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Posts: 202
iconBeBerlin:
Paul,

Absolutely. And my avatar represents the fact that fist can be a verb.

Love, hugs, and kisses,
Robin

Wow! X-rated!...:w00t:
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Steve
2010-12-23 16:59
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danjared
From: United States
Posts: 1000
iconWoodash:
iconBeBerlin:
Paul,

Absolutely. And my avatar represents the fact that fist can be a verb.

Love, hugs, and kisses,
Robin

Wow! X-rated!...:w00t:


Don't say "coti". But, if you're needlessly obscene, that's okay.
2010-12-23 17:02
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Bruno
Posts: 40
iconWoodash:
iconBeBerlin:
Paul,

Absolutely. And my avatar represents the fact that fist can be a verb.

Love, hugs, and kisses,
Robin

Wow! X-rated!...:w00t:


Meh.
If you think that is X rated, you haven't seen much of Robin yet...
;)
2010-12-24 00:34
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hoglahoo
Posts: 28
iconBruno:
Meh.
If you think that is X rated, you haven't seen much of Robin yet...
;)
Please don't challenge him. At least wait for me to finish my dinner
2010-12-24 03:37
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 5001
:D :D

Sometimes you guys are as funny as a Tarrantino dialogue.

Back on topic: Bruno is -in my opinion- spot on with his post.
The new Unicot and Dilucot revisions will be published in January. They don't bring anything new, but they are more concise and explain many concepts much clearer. It would be great if everyone could rework his translations accordingly. I strongly believe that each time a text is reworked, it arrives at a better version. By the end of febrari, we should be able to have pretty final versions of all translations published.

Thank you all for helping us out here,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-12-24 14:15
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 5001
There is a new, completely revised version available of the English Dilucot text.
http://www.coticule.be/dilucot-honing-method.html?file=tl_files/PDF%20articles/Dilucot-EN.pdf

It may still contain one or two typos, and somehow I lost the credits (the article is co-written by Paul and myself), but apart from that, this is the final (I promise) Dilucot version, and to be considered the canonical source for all other Dilucot translations. This new text is considerably less esoteric than the previous one, and we believe much easier to comprehend.

Could everyone who made a Dilucot translation please wade through his text one final time, revise it accordingly to this new English text and to the principles discussed earlier on in this thread? Please submit a final version in plain text format, with more or less the same structure as the English version.

With eternal gratitude,

Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-01-06 01:53
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DG7
From: United States
Posts: 61
Thanks for the new guide, I really like it! And yes, I do find it easier to comprehend.

I know you said it was the final version, and I'm probably nitpicking here, but I have two suggestions for changes:
Page 5, English, on the caption by the picture of the hair. Text has "van" in it from the Nederlandse versie.
Also, with the English version, there are a bunch of blank pages at the end, and there's no copyright notice like in the Nederlandse versie.

Dank u wel!
2011-01-06 06:30
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Robin
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Okay. So what's the deadline for the translation?

Regards,
Robin
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2011-01-06 07:12
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Quick Typo:

In the HHT Section, "If everything checks out, the edge will almost immediately
catch and severs the hair" that should be sever instead of severs.

Also "For more information, refer to this article." which article?

And finally I presume the finished article will have an attached video as reffered to in the closing remarks?

Great work, and well done, I like it a lot

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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2011-01-06 07:27
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geruchtemoaker
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From: Belgium
Posts: 693
a great article indeed!
congrats!

do we need to re-translate this one or will we keep it with the old version in dutch?

cheers
Stijn
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
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2011-01-06 09:51
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 5001
icongeruchtemoaker:
a great article indeed!
congrats!

do we need to re-translate this one or will we keep it with the old version in dutch?

cheers
Stijn


The Dutch version has been further revised by myself, while Paul and I were working on the English version. I haven't replaced the Dutch PDF yet, but it is completely finished as well.

Thank you all for the proofreading, I'll correct the reported typo's. Links to other articles will be add a lather stage. As we're currently reworking the entire sharpening academy, the links would become obsolete rather soon.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-01-06 11:21