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Robin
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Well, a nifty new feature has been built into google's advanced search, called Reading Level. I thought it might be fun to put B&B, SRP and this site side-by-side in terms of reading levels. As stated previously, some people are more interested in the less banal aspects of straight razor shaving, and prefer to read texts written by people who can convey an idea clearly, concisely, and with non-AOL punctuation.

2010-12-19 20:47
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Bruno
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I would not call myself a language purist, but I dislike the 'simplifications' that resemble chat language. u knw, when u r tlking lk ths. Grtz. Usually when that happens, the IQ of the conversation takes a turn for the worse as well. Not necessarily here or in your case, but it is just a general peeve of mine.

Btw, talking about the commercial angle: I would have expected shaveready.com to make a bigger impact, with their vendor driven focus. I thought they would get a lot of influx from that angle but they apear to be in a winter sleep.
2010-12-19 20:54
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Bruno
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iconBeBerlin:
Well, a nifty new feature has been built into google's advanced search, called Reading Level. I thought it might be fun to put B&B, SRP and this site side-by-side in terms of reading levels. As stated previously, some people are more interested in the less banal aspects of straight razor shaving, and prefer to read texts written by people who can convey an idea clearly, concisely, and with non-AOL punctuation.



Interesting comparison.
I think that the reason for this site sticking out is that there are many more long posts, whereas SRP has quite a number of 'cool razor' and 'nice find' posts.
I have not checked, but I'd think that sub forums like the workshop would rate much higher than e.g. the ebay/auction forum or the beginner forum.
2010-12-19 21:00
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Robin
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iconDJKELLY:
As for shortcut names, Bruno, for coticules or Japanese naturals, I just don't like to type that much. And how far do you take it. Should we use the scientific name for each geological specimen? Are text acronyms too much? No IMHO, at least now that I understand some of them.


I'm with Bruno here. I prefer to write less, but try to make what I write relevant. Whether I type JNat or Japanese natural hone is a difference of 2 seconds (actually less, because I am a fast typer). I consider it minimum courtesy towards those readers who are new to the site and maybe unfamiliar with the jargon.

In addition to that, this jargon is often used to form in-groups. Mind how people otherwise capable of proper grammar mimic the spelling mistakes of their idols in "Filli's", "Thurri" or "Dulicot". I feel that these people use these terms to create a sense of belonging together. Typical behaviour in social communities, but it usually comes at a price. Typically, a lack of scrutinising the topic.

iconDJKELLY:
From a relative newbie to straight razor forums, there seems to be quite a lot of energy flowing between the sites. Not all is positive by any means.


There is a lot of hate. A lot.

Regards,
Robin
2010-12-19 21:08
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Bruno
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iconBeBerlin:
iconDJKELLY:
From a relative newbie to straight razor forums, there seems to be quite a lot of energy flowing between the sites. Not all is positive by any means.


There is a lot of hate. A lot.

Regards,
Robin


A lot of energy. That is certainly an interesting euphemism. :)

Pure, unadulterated hatred would be a more apt description. Not so much between the members themselves, but between the various 'heads of state' (I don't count myself here). This is also why I am not a member of any other shaving site. People would always try to find something behind my words, or just plain annoy me about shaving site politics.

At least in this place this is not an issue because the people here are intelligent enough to understand that not everything I say or do has a political motive.
2010-12-19 21:20
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconBruno:
Pure, unadulterated hatred would be a more apt description. Not so much between the members themselves, but between the various 'heads of state'

Reminds me of the history of Communist parties in Belgium after the second World War. They were very small, but still they managed to fall apart in 3 even smaller parties that hated each other with a vengeance. But at least they were dealing with politics, which is a far more important topic than shaving a beard.


Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-12-19 21:35
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DENNIS KELLY (DJKELLY)
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iconBeBerlin:

Robin, I don't know that I trust you to not be pulling my leg. Wasn't it you that posted the fake beard growth direction applicaton. I'm not even going to check the hyperlink.

And, by the way, what is this "i.e." expression you mention? How long would it take to type it's real meaning, for example.

I will relent to balance, I promise. Denny
p.s. Holy Shit. It's real. I couldn't resist sneaking a peek. Never mind.
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2010-12-19 21:57
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Bruno
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iconBart:
iconBruno:
Pure, unadulterated hatred would be a more apt description. Not so much between the members themselves, but between the various 'heads of state'

Reminds me of the history of Communist parties in Belgium after the second World War. They were very small, but still they managed to fall apart in 3 even smaller parties that hated each other with a vengeance. But at least they were dealing with politics, which is a far more important topic than shaving a beard.


Kind regards,
Bart.


Like the Judean Peoples Front and the Peoples Front of Judea. :)
It's sad, really. Much like today's politics really. Maybe we'll have a government next year.
2010-12-19 22:03
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Paul
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iconDJKELLY:
iconBeBerlin:

Robin, I don't know that I trust you to not be pulling my leg. Wasn't it you that posted the fake beard growth direction applicaton. I'm not even going to check the hyperlink.

And, by the way, what is this "i.e." expression you mention? How long would it take to type it's real meaning, for example.

I will relent to balance, I promise. Denny
p.s. Holy Shit. It's real. I couldn't resist sneaking a peek. Never mind.


No... that was Matt :D
Paul
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2010-12-19 22:05
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Robin
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iconDJKELLY:
And, by the way, what is this "i.e." expression you mention? How long would it take to type it's real meaning, for example.

Ie (or, using AE punctuation, "i.e.") stands for "id est", ie "in other words" in Latin. Here is a nice bit of background information. It would not necessarily take longer, but since it is used almost universally (except, maybe, in shaving and gun forums...), I cannot see any problem with it. Some Latin a day keeps the doctor away and all that. ;)
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2010-12-19 22:12
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Paul
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iconBeBerlin:
iconDJKELLY:
And, by the way, what is this "i.e." expression you mention? How long would it take to type it's real meaning, for example.

Ie (or, using AE punctuation, "i.e.") stands for "id est", ie "in other words" in Latin. Here is a nice bit of background information. It would not necessarily take longer, but since it is used almost universally (except, maybe, in shaving and gun forums...), I cannot see any problem with it. Some Latin a day keeps the doctor away and all that. ;)


You're determined to make me learn German, aren't you... I'm an American, and I refuse to learn another language. For that matter, like the rest of my countrymen, I refuse to learn to use English properly.

I will say that multi-tasking has been taught and praised long enough that it's hard for me to know if I'm a proficient multi-tasker or a sap with ADHD.

I do know that while in university, I would (quite literally) stop mid-sentence while taking exams, and I'd move on to other questions. My GPA was very respectable, but losing focus is, and has been, a very real issue for me.
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
my blog- and it works again :p
2010-12-19 22:22
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconBeBerlin:
iconDJKELLY:
And, by the way, what is this "i.e." expression you mention? How long would it take to type it's real meaning, for example.

Ie (or, using AE punctuation, "i.e.") stands for "id est", ie "in other words" in Latin. Here is a nice bit of background information. It would not necessarily take longer, but since it is used almost universally (except, maybe, in shaving and gun forums...), I cannot see any problem with it. Some Latin a day keeps the doctor away and all that. ;)

I read that remark slightly different than you, Robin. It seems to me that Dennis tries to smartass you ("to smartass" is a homemade verb), with your quest for avoiding abbreviations that makes you (and I) think we're back in kindergarten. E.g. Coti, Thurri, Pumi, Filli. (e.g. is an abbreviation, in Latin "exempli gratia", means "for example")

I think at the current rate of forum-wide noise (we seem to have meaningless off-topic scattering going on everywhere), we're quickly catching up when it comes to matching the average forum's "Reading Level".
As sad evolution, but being in the minority, what are we going to do?

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-12-19 22:26
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Robin
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iconBart:
I read that remark slightly different than you, Robin. It seems to me that Dennis tries to smartass you ("to smartass" is a homemade verb), with your quest for avoiding abbreviations that makes you (and I) think we're back in kindergarten. E.g. Coti, Thurri, Pumi, Filli. (e.g. is an abbreviation, in Latin "exempli gratia", means "for example")

Oh. Okay. How droll. Just for the record, I actually wanted to link to this article: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/abbreviations/f/ievseg.htm.
iconBart:
I think at the current rate of forum-wide noise (we seem to have meaningless off-topic scattering going on everywhere), we're quickly catching up when it comes to matching the average forum's "Reading Level".
As sad evolution, but being in the minority, what are we going to do?


Easy. Do what the German forums do, and actively moderate threads. One thing they do well is to merge threads. This results in threads with 500 and more pages at times, but at least it keeps the discussion focused. Their moderators use colour coding to mark their comments as moderators (ie not active participants in a discussion). So, you see a lot more moderation, and public commenting on unwanted behaviour. Which, in the interest of seriousness, should include the omission of cutesy names for tools. Call it "Operation Thurri my ass" if you like, as long as this childishness stops.

But the really interesting question is the general direction you want to give this site. It started as a support forum for Coticule honing related issues. Exclusively. And it that exceedingly well. Now, it is slowly - but with increasing speed - becoming a miniature B&B/SRP/Whatever. Personally, I find this neither useful, nor interesting. I do not care about somebody else's latest eBay "hauls"; I do not want to be made at witness of the latest achievements in anti-historic scale atrocities; and I most certainly am not interested in other hones, except by ways of performance comparisons.

I do, however, plead guilty of creating line noise, but a fault confessed is half redressed.

Regards,
Robin
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2010-12-19 22:50
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janivar123
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What was the topic of this thread again?
And I iz liking my coti a lots:P

Abbrevations, bragging and useless off topic posts (woops was writing OT when i remembered what i respond to)
I do not think a site without noice would survive long, nor would i frequent it mutch
The noice ratio as it is at the moment is mostly good, yet maintaining that as the forum grows may be hard

Oh yes its good to read the posts from "the angry german" again:P
2010-12-19 23:32