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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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There is a Contao module that implements "tooltips". And as Stijn suggested, with some rewriting of PHP code, we could add the functionality that replaces a list of abbreviations with the full words.

I'm not in favor of these kinds of automated function. First I'll address the socio-cultural aspects:

But I'm not fond of any of that. I've made this point before, but on behalf of our newer member, I'll make it again.

Most of our members shave with a straight razor. They don't use shaving cream out of a pressurized canister. And I suspect somehow that they also sharpen their own razors. That suggest a group of people who don't like precooked meals, automatic transmission, chairs that help you get up, watches that decide for you when it's time to exercise, etcetera.
When it comes to writing, I fully realize that no every person is equally talented, not equally educated, or not even natively speaking English. Hence I don't expect everyone to write perfectly clear, succinct English sentences without errors. I do consider it a matter of courtesy to make an effort. What the result of that effort is, will of course differ individually, but it's the intent that counts.

For this reason, I will make a few recommendations and leave it at everyone's own decision to put them aside or not:
1. If you use an abbreviation, always bear in mind that people are reading along for which all this is new. When in doubt, please type the word at least once and put the abbreviation that you will be using for the remainder of your post behind it. e.g. " something about my La Veinette (LV). I like my LV a lot and I use it more than my La Petite Blanche (LPB), even though my LPB is larger than my LV...".
2. For people not natively speaking English, its next to impossible to decipher sentences without punctuation. At least, try to start you sentences with a capital and end them with a point.
3. Everyone makes spelling errors and typos, but if you decide to phonetically spell words that everyone else is looking up to get them right, i.e. "La Veinette", do realize that it comes across as crude. It is not forbidden to fart out loud in public and neither is it forbidden to be unsophisticated on this forum. Courtesy stops being courtesy when it's no longer extended out of free will. It has that in common with love.

As you know, I love most of you guys, whether you burp in my face or not.:rolleyes:


Now, for the Internet Technology (IT) aspects of misspelled Coticule layer names and unknown abrevviations, Napoleon said that sometimes the cure for a problem is worse than the problem itself. I've seen what wordfilters can do on forums that try to ban certain words and replace them with "***". I don't easily feel like throwing with something, but I surely get that urge whenever a piece of software starts trying to complete words for me, or even worse, alters them. Even when that's for my own good.
If someone thinks that his contribution about a "La Dressante au Bleu" is interesting enough for others to find it in a Google search, that he starts by spelling it right. And then, those others will search for "La Dresante au blue" and won't find a thing. :O

An to close, something that crossed my mind earlier on:
Computers can't fix laziness; they can only promote it.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-01-11 00:25
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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W3L I DO NOT SE WUT AL DA FUS SI ABOUT AFTER AL WE UES OLD ROX 2 SHARPAN RAZORS AND TOK BOLOX ABOUT TAHT W3 R NOT REINVENTNG DA WHEL OR CURNG CANC3R HAR3 U KNOW

Hahahaha

Seriously, this is a good idea if we can implement it, if not lets look into the electric shock idea, but only for the non English speaking country that lies below Canada and above South America, and I dont mean Mexico!...lol

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Ralfson (Dr)
We Are All Pioneers In Our Own Right.
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2011-01-11 00:31
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James Towle (towliff)
From: United Kingdom
Posts: 133
I like this idea, I think its brilliant. I always feel so arrogant and self concious of my speech when going abroad (except French speaking) due to my (lets be honest, quite a widespread British) lack of any knowledge of other languages. Hence why I really like the idea's proposed here by Sir Bart.

icontat2Ralfy:
W3L I DO NOT SE WUT AL DA FUS SI ABOUT AFTER AL WE UES OLD ROX 2 SHARPAN RAZORS AND TOK BOLOX ABOUT TAHT W3 R NOT REINVENTNG DA WHEL OR CURNG CANC3R HAR3 U KNOW

Hahahaha

Seriously, this is a good idea if we can implement it, if not lets look into the electric shock idea, but only for the non English speaking country that lies below Canada and above South America, and I dont mean Mexico!...lol

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)


As a side note, I've heard somewhere before that you can "rmve ll vwls ad rrnrg th rmnng cnsnnts ad y cn lyws rd th wrd(s) plrrpy s lng s y lv th fsrt nd lst cnnsnt n thr crcrt plc."

Enjoy,

James
2011-01-11 04:49
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DENNIS KELLY (DJKELLY)
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From: United States
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2011-01-11 05:04
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altshaver
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Is it possible for us to "have our cake and eat it too?" Perhaps BeBerlin's ideas could be implemented as features that can be turned on or off by each member of the forum. The negative part about doing that is that not everyone will be experiencing the same forum.
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2011-01-11 05:52
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Robin
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Speaking of cans and worms...

Bart, well said, but you know my position on word filters. I find it immensely amusing that they are mostly used in a country that supports its troops abroad with "Sandniggers must die" stickers on the bumpers of pick-up trucks with a Confederate flag and two sawed off shotguns in the rear window. Poppyc*ck, if you know what I mean. Yet still, each time I read something like "Wanna buy a Lez Lat", I get this strange image in my head of a redneck youngling in the XXX section of a DVD library, looking for homosexual coffee drinks. Rule 34, anyone?

That said, http://www.noswearing.com/ makes for some serious Lulz aka σαδισμός or lélz.

Paul is actually right, and I left the part about search engines out because I found it too painfully obvious. It is still a valid argument, and a strong one at that. After all, the aim of this site is to educate readers looking for serious information about Coticules. So why not help them find this information more easily by using terms they will, in all likelihood, be searching for. And do not dare suggest that variations of the same spelling make it easier for the differently abled. I just went through the list of search phrases leading to my site, and found some true gems, though: "sannouci straight razor" (Sanssouci), "dovo bismark review" (Bismarck), "nazi straight razor replica" (what??), "sologen revisor seeman" (more like, "Solingen", eh?), and my personal favourite "buy herman wacker razor" (Heribert, and I am not a bloody online shop). Ummm... "b.b.q dorko" is interesting, too. My, my...

As for laziness, I think laziness is a strong motivator. In my world, computers are there to help, not to interfere or make things complicated. Being able to type "lnv" and get "La Nouvelle Veine" is simply nice. My French is severely rusty, and I have found myself looking up the gender of several words more than once. Enter macro, end spelling problem. More time for content and all that.

As for spellling erors in general, let me put it this way: I have learnt a lot from and thoroughly enjoy Gary's posts here, albeit that they - no offence, Gary - sometimes provide quite a bit of a parsing challenge. To me, it does not matter at all, because there is substance. Where I personally draw a line is where it is obvious that posters are either too lazy or indifferent to proofread their submissions (I call this drive-by gimmegimme postings, a typical example of which would be, "wanna buy mah 1st Coti, which one is best??!?!??"), or want to convey an intimacy with the subject matter which, in reality, is more often than not inversely proportional to their use of jargon: "Using my 27 Coti's, I get BB'S shave's totaly all of the time, because them little puppies shave like dream's because of my divine honing skill'z". I am thoroughly grateful that this forum is so far almost devoid of them. I also believe that a stitch in time saves nine, and a little pre-emptive action has never really hurt anyone. Not much, anyway :sneaky:

Speaking of which - Ric Tic, what you were looking for is RSP aka the Remote Strangulation Protocol: "The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol." ie the Perl equivalent of every operator's wet dream, an electric cattle prod. *bzzzzt*

Any road, it seems like the Contao developers have done the right thing, and there are two extensions for creating a glossary function: one creates a glossary, and I think it would be nice to have. The other creates tool tips from the glossary, and unless those can be turned off for members, I think they would be too intrusive. As for the acronym expander, it looks as though http://www.contao.org/extension-list/view/auto_completer.10020003.en.html is the closest there is in terms of re-usable functionality. Let us therefore bury the idea, while I play with Greasemonkey a bit more.

Regards,
Robin
2011-01-11 07:38
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BlacknTan
From: United States
Posts: 176
iconBeBerlin:
Speaking of cans and worms...

Bart, well said, but you know my position on word filters. I find it immensely amusing that they are mostly used in a country that supports its troops abroad with "Sandniggers must die" stickers on the bumpers of pick-up trucks with a Confederate flag and two sawed off shotguns in the rear window. Poppyc*ck, if you know what I mean. Yet still, each time I read something like "Wanna buy a Lez Lat", I get this strange image in my head of a redneck youngling in the XXX section of a DVD library, looking for homosexual coffee drinks. Rule 34, anyone?


Regards,
Robin


I've spent the vast majority of my days in the U.S.
I consider myself an American, if not by birth, by the 55 years I've spent living here. I did not come to this site to insult others, or be insulted, but this ost just drips of superiority and disdain.
Personally, I've never seen the bumper sticker mentioned here. Never seen "sawed (sic) off shotguns" ,which are illegal in this country and quite useless for most anything except concealment, displayed in the windows of pickup trucks.
I support our troops. Are we correct in our approach to the rest of the world? I don't know! I'm not armed with all the facts, which are extremely elusive to begin with, that I need to decide that. I'm waqt I call, a regular guy... I'm not privy to the inner workings and backroom deals of any nation. Like the populace of any nation, my information comes from media sources that often oppose each other. Like a baby being force-fed Pap. It's left to our own minds to filter the information and reach our own point of view. The fact is that these are our young people sent to do our dirty work, and for that, they have my support.
My Dad, an American soldier who trained in Wales for the D-Day Invasion, landed on the beaches of Normandy and fought through to the Ardennes Forest. His rifle company was reduced to twenty men and was dug in to defend a line against a Panzer Division in a desperate last attempt. Am I proud of him? You had better believe it, and I try my best every day to be half the man he was. I fall short in comparison, but I continue to try. Were it not for these men, the face of Europe would be much different than it is today, and perhaps such smug attitudes would not exist.
I've found my way around this site pretty well, in spite of my limited education. But, perhaps I don't belong, or perhaps I should just read for information purposes, instead of offering a level of participation..

Well, enough of my diatribe... I have to go gas up the pickup, throw a couple of bones to the dogs in the junkyard and have my breakfast of grits and a sixpack.. It's hard to eat much else seein' as how all my front teeth are gone...
Better a diamond with a flaw than a polished pebble...
2011-01-11 13:52
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Robin
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iconBlacknTan:
Personally, I've never seen the bumper sticker mentioned here. Never seen "sawed (sic) off shotguns"

You weren't in the South in '93 then. They resurfaced at the beginning of GW2, and were seen in Iraq of all places. Incidentally, sawed off shotguns were the fashion item du jour in Kentucky when I lived right across the border.

iconBlacknTan:
,which are illegal in this country

That is not quite right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawed-off_shotgun#United_States.

Hm. I created a gun thread. How odd. I'm out of here, chaps. Bye.
2011-01-11 14:50
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DENNIS KELLY (DJKELLY)
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From: United States
Posts: 774
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I always smile when I see someone misspelling "La veinette" "la nouvelle veine" ... because all those words are french
and immediately I think how many mistakes have I done.
I also highly appreciate that acronymous are seldom used on this forum because I hate them especially in my job.

So Robin, your parser idea is certainly a good idea, but as I'm an old school guy I also think that "La répétition fixe la notion" (repetition sets notion : don't know if it is a good translation) and trying to spell correctly the name of a layer is one step more to the wonderful country of coticule.

Regards

Laurent

Nope, not a good translation, maybe we should have a translator, too. If you want to learn to hate acronyms, you should visit the training department of any airline. All the acronyms are for the instructors and not the pilots. AQP, SPT, FOM, and on and on until they finally came up with the most appropriate one; TLA for three letter acronym. Just so you know, Laurent, you misspelled acronym in your text above. Zare eez no misspellink!
Your OCD friend, Denny
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2011-01-11 17:16
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chti_lolo
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and immediately I think how many mistakes have I done.
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Laurent
2011-01-11 17:55
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DENNIS KELLY (DJKELLY)
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From: United States
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Well, enough of my diatribe... I have to go gas up the pickup, throw a couple of bones to the dogs in the junkyard and have my breakfast of grits and a sixpack.. It's hard to eat much else seein' as how all my front teeth are gone...[/quote]

Sounds like a pretty smart Redneck to me. I really don't understand the animosity towards my country. There are certainly characters here, but aren't they everywhere. Onslow from "Keeping Up Appearances" comes to mind. I have traveled in Europe and the worst treatment I ever had was at the hands of a busload of Germans on a tour in Spain, but I don't think all Germans are extremely rude and anal. Maybe I'm wrong. In any event, it is not my mission to expand on it at every opportunity. I can relate to Onslow and bet he could teach all of us something we would not expect. My best friend has dyslexia and can't write for shit but would die to protect those he loves. That's good enough for me.
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2011-01-11 19:37
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Emmanuel Giannoulakis (emmanuel)
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From: Greece
Posts: 942
iconDJKELLY:
iconchti_lolo:
I always smile when I see someone misspelling "La veinette" "la nouvelle veine" ... because all those words are french
and immediately I think how many mistakes have I done.
I also highly appreciate that acronymous are seldom used on this forum because I hate them especially in my job.

So Robin, your parser idea is certainly a good idea, but as I'm an old school guy I also think that "La répétition fixe la notion" (repetition sets notion : don't know if it is a good translation) and trying to spell correctly the name of a layer is one step more to the wonderful country of coticule.

Regards

Laurent

Nope, not a good translation, maybe we should have a translator, too. If you want to learn to hate acronyms, you should visit the training department of any airline. All the acronyms are for the instructors and not the pilots. AQP, SPT, FOM, and on and on until they finally came up with the most appropriate one; TLA for three letter acronym. Just so you know, Laurent, you misspelled acronym in your text above. Zare eez no misspellink!
Your OCD friend, Denny


Hei Denny. Yes is for the pilot too.
AOG AOG AOG ,FOD, etc
Your friend
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Giannoulakis
from Athens Greece
2011-01-11 20:20
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 5001
We don't have very long Rules of conduct, but these lines were carefully chose.

Especially the line about the bartender with the short temper. :mad:

This forum tries to support the worldwide user group of Coticules. We don't want to restrict the topics being discussed.

Robin, you never seem to miss a change to include sentences in your posts that you know up front will not only upset fellow members, but also torpedoes all chances on continuing with a civilized discussion.

With that course of action, you are either missing the whole point of this forum, which is to bring people together instead of driving them apart, or you enjoy showing your contempt for certain groups of people so much that you just can't resist a "good" opportunity to do so.

In the former case, you might want to join: http://www.politicsforum.org/. I figure that are setup and moderated to deal with discussions about the social and political undertows in various countries on the World's main stage.
In the other case, maybe the intense practice of high-impact sports might help?

But in any case, this attitude of vilification must stop on Coticule.be. It spoils the mood.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-01-11 22:30
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Mike Shaw (kg4ghn)
From: United States
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Also, in response to the original post before everything got sidetracked I would not like the auto-fill acronym thing. Before I had a cell phone with the phone number of everybody I know stored in it I could remember phone numbers. Now that I have gotten so used to just going to contacts and finding the name I want I have pretty much zero numbers memorized any more. I think that spelling the veins out will help me in remembering how to spell them.

I do think that an easy to get to glossary with all of the names would be a great idea to be able to easily check yourself.
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2011-01-12 06:00
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconCaution:
Please read the forum rules. It's one thing to attack an anonymous group of people with the wrong bumber sticker, but this goes one step further. If you have problems with a person, don't bring them to the forum.



Some general advice to everyone reading and posting on Coticule.be:

If your name is not in a sentence, it is usually not to be taken personal.
If you absolutely have to get personal, take the matter in private, rather than using this forum as a public arena.

Thank you,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-01-12 11:22