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vgeorge
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Like for lot of people, sometimes my work gets very busy. I then read the threads in my email client. It would make my life (and for others' too, I would think) a lot easier if something like these can be instituted:
  1. Subject line carries forum category - would allow for picking and choosing - may be, for example, I am not interested in buying anything at the moment
  2. Subject line does not carry "[replyto#]" - all the items in a thread will come into same email message
  3. Finally, it would be great to be able to post a response from the email client


Just suggestions only. I am happy to be participating and listening, as things are. May be some of these features already exist, I am just not aware where/how to access them.

Cheers.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-08 16:24
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Robin
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iconCode:
(setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
      'gnus-gather-threads-by-subject)
(setq gnus-face-1 'my-gray
      gnus-summary-line-format "%U\%R\%z %1{%5L%} %d%I %1{%ua%} %s\n")
2011-02-08 16:38
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vgeorge
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Thanks, Robin - but is not your code for Linux/Emacs reading?

I will need a bit more help if it can be used in Windows/FF environment.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-08 16:44
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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iconvgeorge:
Like for lot of people, sometimes my work gets very busy. I then read the threads in my email client. It would make my life (and for others' too, I would think) a lot easier if something like these can be instituted:
  1. Subject line carries forum category - would allow for picking and choosing - may be, for example, I am not interested in buying anything at the moment
  2. Subject line does not carry "[replyto#]" - all the items in a thread will come into same email message
  3. Finally, it would be great to be able to post a response from the email client


Just suggestions only. I am happy to be participating and listening, as things are. May be some of these features already exist, I am just not aware where/how to access them.

Cheers.

If I understand what you mean, request#1 can be honored. No problem.
Request#2 is not possible with the software we use, short of some serious reprogramming.
Request#3 concerns a readily available option that is currently turned off. That has been a conscient choice. The formatting of the e-mail notifications is rather basic, with no linked pictures, no smilies (which can be important to recognize irony), no way to recognize quoted parts. It would be inviting misunderstandings to allow direct responses from such basic notifications. They are good enough though, to serve their function: a brief notification.
Furthermore, the forum has never been intended as the main part of Coticule.be. There are other parts, such as the Sharpening Academy, the Heritage section, The Information Mine, etcetera. These are under constant development, and although they evolve much slower than the Cafeteria, they are important. That is another reason, why I chose to leave e-mail replies turned off, when I was developing Coticule.be. I wanted to avoid having members that would never set foot on the actual website. It's a bit like being a chess club with members that do participate in the e-mail tournaments, but never drop by at the club house. I hope this somehow makes sense.

But we will discuss your request in the Associates' section, and see where we can accommodate you.


Kind regards,
Bart
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-02-09 00:05
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vgeorge
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Thanks, Bart, especially the patient explanation of the rationale, which makes sense. :thumbup:
George
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Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 00:21
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vgeorge
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Bart,

One more thing, if possible and generally helpful, to consider in this context.

Within a topic, there are branches of responses (sometimes just one branch with just one sequence of responses). Do we have the capability to show the branches?

It would be useful to be able to select the branches while trying to peruse a topic. First, one can avoid frivolous branches. Second, an entry sometimes make more sense in the context of its branch and not of the preceding entry, which could be from another branch and unrelated.

Again, just for your consideration, only if possible and generally helpful.

Thanks!
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 14:27
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geruchtemoaker
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From: Belgium
Posts: 693
iconvgeorge:
Bart,

One more thing, if possible and generally helpful, to consider in this context.

Within a topic, there are branches of responses (sometimes just one branch with just one sequence of responses). Do we have the capability to show the branches?

It would be useful to be able to select the branches while trying to peruse a topic. First, one can avoid frivolous branches. Second, an entry sometimes make more sense in the context of its branch and not of the preceding entry, which could be from another branch and unrelated.

Again, just for your consideration, only if possible and generally helpful.

Thanks!
you mean linking the responses to each other?
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
http://www.artisanshaving.org
2011-02-09 14:29
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vgeorge
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icongeruchtemoaker:
you mean linking the responses to each other?


Yes. In some sites you get a (partial) tree map (essentially a navigational map) and pressing on the nodes take you to the entry.

I was wondering if some such thing was available.

Thanks.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 14:37
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geruchtemoaker
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From: Belgium
Posts: 693
as far as I know it isn't and I think it's hard/impossible to make such a thing because not everyone uses quotes or something like that also some people tend to answer on different questions in one post
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
http://www.artisanshaving.org
2011-02-09 14:49
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vgeorge
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It would certainly be time-consuming and difficult, if not impossible, to develop internally. :( However, it is a standard feature in the software used in some discussion fora. You get a tree on top that you can use to navigate.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 15:43
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Varghese,

That sounds like Drupal talk to me...
:P

Paul
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
my blog- and it works again :p
2011-02-09 15:45
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vgeorge
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Hi Paul,

I just looked up Drupal - did not know what it is - yes, may be, but I was talking purely as an end-user. Not suggesting any big scale stuff, just what is reasonable and possible.

Sidebar: I am getting better with your LGB, will ask you few questions after few more sharpenings.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 15:55
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Robin
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The so called threading provided by vBulletin is a joke. Awkward to use, and technologically about as advanced as the rest of vB.

The Drupal forum (with its advanced forum extension) is a clean, and technologically advanced solution. However, employing it would a) require the Drupal framework, and b) migrating the current data. I do not think this is feasibly, nor is it necessarily desirable. Why the latter? Because this site is not supposed to become yet another shaving forum. Its aim and focus is research. If you want threading, use Gnus and read the forum via e-mail. Perfectly viable, and extremely powerful solution.

Regards,
Robin
2011-02-09 16:07
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vgeorge
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Without knowing the technical specifications of the software, let me first defer to your judgment, Robin, about relative merits.

However, the bigger issues are (1) speed with which to review stuff, and (2) ease with which to do serious technical discussions.

In many fora, there are no in-depth technical discussions. We do quite a bit of that. I do not know about others, I find the process, both reading and contributing, very cumbersome and somewhat difficult.

I was trying to alleviate (1) with marginal improvements, if feasible. I hope (2) will also be taken into account.

It is possible there are no good solutions, or solutions we can reasonably afford. Setting up Gnu stuff may be within technical striking distance for me, although I suspect for not many. I am also less sure if that will help easily and quickly integrate the technical stuff. Convenience trumps a lot of other stuff.

May be I should shut up now - now that my suggestions are known.
George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-02-09 17:02
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geruchtemoaker
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From: Belgium
Posts: 693
your first suggestion should be up and running right now

kind regards
Stijn
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
http://www.artisanshaving.org
2011-02-09 22:02