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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Associates, from time to time, some members may have an issue that they'd like to discuss with you all without the general public having access to the entire conversation. Case in point, I would have preferred to post my "Seeking Profit in the Marketplace" thread in an Associate only forum to have a full conversation with the associates without making it look like some big thing, which it isn't. As it is now, I have little doubt there is some irritation generated by being "questioned" like that publicly. However, my point in that thread wasn't to question/show disapproval for specific actions but rather to have a dialogue with the associates. I was hoping for more participation from the other Associates in that thread, but I can understand why there may be an inclination to avoid that discussion publicly.

So, my question is, would it be a good idea to have a forum where people can go to have a private-ish conversation with all the associates? The way I'd see it, is Member A would request an audience with the associates only, they would be given access privileges to this forum called The People's Court, or some other better name that you would all certainly come up with, and there some issue could be discussed there without it being available for public consumption... When the issue was settled, or moved on from, the thread could be deleted and access to the Court would be terminated.

Thoughts?
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-04-13 19:45
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geruchtemoaker
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From: Belgium
Posts: 693
I don't really like the idea because:

-if someone would want a private audience with me(I'm kinda feeling like the pope right now) or anyone of the associates they can contact me/us through email
-it would be a big hassle with lending authorisation to the forum and after that removing it
-I really don't see the benefits from a forum over email

kind regards
Stijn
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2011-04-13 22:43
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Paul
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From: United States
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icongeruchtemoaker:
I don't really like the idea because:

-if someone would want a private audience with me(I'm kinda feeling like the pope right now) or anyone of the associates they can contact me/us through email
-it would be a big hassle with lending authorisation to the forum and after that removing it
-I really don't see the benefits from a forum over email

kind regards
Stijn


Thanks Stijn!

-It's not hard at all to grant authorisation to such a forum, literally a couple clicks and it's done

-The benefit, as I see it, is to have a brainstorming session with all the associates rather than just one. With one person, email is perfectly fine... assuming you get a response :P However, if you've ever followed a big chain of emails with mulitple parties responding, it's significantly more challenging to follow than a thread... especially if one of the parties forgets to "reply all". Otherwise, we'd most likely have these conversations on some newsletter email chain rather than The Cafeteria at Coticule.be

It may not be a good idea, but it's a thought. In the case of my thread, I think it would have been much more productive :)

Maybe I'm wrong; it's not that rare an occurence :D

Cheers,

Paul
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-04-13 22:52
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Emmanuel Giannoulakis (Emmanuel)
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From: Greece
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Hi Paul. Some times i saw a member placed a question and receives correct answers by persons who do not have some grade.I think according your suggestion many members remain out of the game.It is only my thought.
Your friend
Emmanuel
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2011-04-14 00:16
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Paul
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From: United States
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iconEmmanuel:
Hi Paul. Some times i saw a member placed a question and receives correct answers by persons who do not have some grade.I think according your suggestion many members remain out of the game.It is only my thought.
Your friend
Emmanuel


That's fair, Emmanuel. Thanks for weighing in
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-04-14 00:18
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vgeorge
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Given that the members are so diverse, multi-cultural etc. my vote would be to have some mechanism to clarify things, blow steams, etc. It need not be a separate forum, could be a 'Red Button' - or green or yellow - that will initiate a private, small-group conversation.

Say, I unintentionally insulted Paul (my friend, no need to do that intentionally) in a posting. The only choice, for all practical purposes, he has is to insult me back in public or to swallow the insult. If that happens once, perhaps people will forget it. Say, it happens again and again. A bit of semi-private conference among the 'elders', Paul, and I would be a better way to solve it than hashing things out in public.

I guess the associates assume they are 'hosting' the others and take their responsibilities very seriously. But when the number of guests have increased as it has, some broad-based and creative solutions are needed both for 'policing' (e.g. maintaining honesty at the market place) and for 'conflict resolution.'

It would be a mistake to assume others understand things and nuances the same way each of us does.
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2011-04-14 01:53
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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iconvgeorge:
...... The only choice, for all practical purposes, he has is to insult me back in public or to swallow the insult. If that happens once, perhaps people will forget it. Say, it happens again and again. A bit of semi-private conference among the 'elders', Paul, and I would be a better way to solve it than hashing things out in public...


Or Paul could ask you to explain the insult, and if you couldn't settle it within the forum rules, and like adults then report it to an Associate, who would review the situation.

Stijn already answered the suggestion Gents ;)

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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2011-04-14 02:10
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Paul
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From: United States
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So, he spoke for the entire Associate team? Thanks for clarifying because I certainly didn't take his post to be him ending the discussion, but rather one person's opinion of the suggestion or else I would have dropped it :)
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-04-14 03:53
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rayman
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From: United States
Posts: 499
Although I am only an advisor now, I do think Paul has an interesting proposal. Without going into a long explanation, I agree with him that this should be, at least considered.

Just my 2 cents.

rh
2011-04-14 05:00
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Robin
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There used to be a forum that had this mechanism in place (Paul and Ralfy would know). So I got into a row with a well known vendorator of another forum over a pair of costume scales he - I felt - flaunted to cream the new target group. We had a discussion (well, sort of: I was making arguments while he was throwing around weight, and exclamation marks), and one day later I was banned. I didn't mind, since the ban as such could have been considered well earned (I sometimes come across as slightly abrasive to people who live in a PC controlled environment). What really happened, though, was that said vendorator started a tsunami of private messages, pulling strings here and there, and leaning on certain well connected people with vested commercial interests.

And that, chaps, is why I do not see how anything is to be gained from such a forum. Yes, it takes personal conflicts out of the forum, but the same can be achieved by e-mail. On the other hand, it creates a place where personal favours can - and inevitably will - be called in to strengthen one party's position. I think that is neither desirable, nor conducive to solving personal problems.
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2011-04-14 08:38
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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A yes I remember the incident well. The wrong member was banned in that instance if you ask me.

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
We Are All Pioneers In Our Own Right.
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Pip Pip Old Bean
2011-04-14 09:06
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Matt
Associate
From: Poland
Posts: 1047
iconPaul:
So, he spoke for the entire Associate team? Thanks for clarifying because I certainly didn't take his post to be him ending the discussion, but rather one person's opinion of the suggestion or else I would have dropped it :)


What he said exactly was he didn't like the idea, and his reasons followed. :)

In general, every matter is being discussed altogether by the team. So, please take my word for it, if you email some of the associates, it will reach everyone else. For ease of communication this given associate alone handles contact with the member, but rest assured that we all speak our opinions in such cases.

iconPaul:
I was hoping for more participation from the other Associates in that thread, but I can understand why there may be an inclination to avoid that discussion publicly.


As for me, there's no avoiding at all, the topic is interesting and worth a good discussion (and open, too). I just suffer from serious time shrinkage recently, with which I already feel uncomfortable, I'm really sorry.

respectfully,
Matt
"Very interesting indeed :) I did something similar with cheese a while ago" - Dr Ralfson
2011-04-14 11:09
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
Associate
From: Belgium
Posts: 5001
Stijn is an associate of this website. We tend to take decisions by consensus, unless matters require immediate action, in which case we will generally try to back each other up.

That said, I do not support Paul's suggestion. The thread about Marketplace dos and don'ts was, opposite of what Paul suggested, not causing any irritation. I can see how one could expect that there was, but I believe all associates realize well enough that members have a good right to question how this forum is run. There was zero animo in the associates section about the aforementioned thread as started by Paul, and there was some conversation about this one. Which brings me to an important point. There is a secluded associate's forum, and it is clear that members will in some occasions speculate about what happens over there. Such speculation usually leads a life on it's own, like in the joke about the guy with the flat tire. While he walks a mile to the nearest house to lend a jack, he starts speculating the owner might not trust him to return the Jack. He convinces himself so strongly that the inhabitant of the house is not going to help him, that, when the man opens his door, he shouts in his face: " YOU CAN KEEP YOUR FUCKING JACK, YOU BLOODY BASTERD".
In the case of the associate's forum, we have no choice but to live with that principle, but I don't see the need nor the desire to form a sort of semi-associate's forum where some members are granted the privilege to discuss certain topics with the associates while other members are left in the dark. It will only fortify speculation.
Furthermore, if there needs to be questioning and/or clarification of our forum politics, than let this be public and open for all members, also to those who do not jump on the table with each small stir-up. I am not saying I resent that some of us do jump on the table, being a bit of a table jumper myself. Just that the more silently inclined also have rights.

In case 2 or more people need to step outside the spotlights in search of more serenity for solving a personal conflict or a clash of egos, than we have always advices e-mail for the purpose. E-mail has a "reply all" button that allows conversation with more than 2 people.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-04-14 11:17
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Thanks for the consideration (?) guys.

Let me say to Robin: the forum you mentioned was set up for the expressed purpose of solving issues between members. Your banning was the direct result of one of the admins declaring that if you were reported again you would be banned no questions asked. He came in after your time in the private forum, because he wasn't that engaged daily, and started pushing for your banning simply because you were there so soon after. Ralfy and I fought it, but at the end of the day it wasn't enough. So, it left me believing an SRP little brother was being born, I became disengaged, and eventually removed my own privileges from the site.

This forum was not meant to be anything like that, although Varghese picked up on that possible use. I never once mentioned conflicts, and it was for a reason.

Thank you, Bart, for at least dignifying me with a coherent thought on the matter instead of dismissing it offhand.

Instinctively, I would like to address some of the comments made, but I can see that it's a moot point and won't do that.

Cheers all,

Paul
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-04-14 13:12
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Robin
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iconPaul:
Instinctively, I would like to address some of the comments made, but I can see that it's a moot point and won't do that.

Just for the record: While elderly ladies find pouting boys cute, pouting grown-ups are usually frowned upon. If you have something to say, say it. One of the many advantages of this forum over others is that you can do that without some fascist vendor bullying you.

As for that other forum: Trying to reconcile two spoiled brats with bloated egos is an exercise in futility. Making one of them a moderator (if only for a day) was as clear an indication as any in which direction it was heading. Between the two big forums, there is only one market niche with a target group big enough to keep a forum alive: open discussion without a hidden sales agenda by grown-ups with an IQ > 75 and the ability to think and write coherently.

Love, hugs and kisses,
Robin
2011-04-14 13:28