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Matt
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From: Poland
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:)

You just have to wait a little longer, Croatia is on its way to EU...
"Very interesting indeed :) I did something similar with cheese a while ago" - Dr Ralfson
2011-10-06 12:03
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Wim Decraene (decraew)
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From: Belgium
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Well, I hope they'll join before the EU ceases to exist. :(
2011-10-06 12:13
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Matt
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From: Poland
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That's a pretty good point. I have always been furious that we don't have Euro yet (and somehow when you decided to buy something it was usually turning out that it was pretty strong), but seeing all that's going on - I have second thoughts. :)

Sorry for offtopic. :)

regards,
Matt
"Very interesting indeed :) I did something similar with cheese a while ago" - Dr Ralfson
2011-10-06 12:45
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
my blog- and it works again :p
2011-10-06 23:00
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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I believe the one I reviewed is the prototype of this one:
http://www.straightrazordesigns.com/shaving-brushes/heinrich-l-thater/heinrich-l-thater-4125-3-i-28mm-two-band-finest-silver-tip-fan

Based on SRD's picture, it appears to be the same brush, but with a less "flat" fan. That would likely improve the face-lathering capabilities of the brush.

Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-10-07 01:57
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Paul
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From: United States
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iconBart:
I believe the one I reviewed is the prototype of this one:
http://www.straightrazordesigns.com/shaving-brushes/heinrich-l-thater/heinrich-l-thater-4125-3-i-28mm-two-band-finest-silver-tip-fan

Based on SRD's picture, it appears to be the same brush, but with a less "flat" fan. That would likely improve the face-lathering capabilities of the brush.

Bart.


Yours is 28mm? That thing is huge, isn't it. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't trying to match the review, rather what I wish they would have opted for in the SRP group buy :blush:
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-10-07 02:10
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Robin
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Actually, I think it's too big for comfort. I know that some people believe that bigger is always better, but I think that is not necessarily the case when it comes to brushes. Especially fan shaped ones. Mine is 26mm, and I would not mind having a 24 or even 22mm one instead.
2011-10-07 07:12
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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iconPaul:
iconBart:
I believe the one I reviewed is the prototype of this one:
http://www.straightrazordesigns.com/shaving-brushes/heinrich-l-thater/heinrich-l-thater-4125-3-i-28mm-two-band-finest-silver-tip-fan

Based on:D SRD's picture, it appears to be the same brush, but with a less "flat" fan. That would likely improve the face-lathering capabilities of the brush.

Bart.


Yours is 28mm? That thing is huge, isn't it. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't trying to match the review, rather what I wish they would have opted for in the SRP group buy :blush:

:)
Not such a thorough review after all...:rolleyes: I never cared to measure the brush.:blush:

I just took calipers and measured the prototype I tested for this review. The base of the knot is 26mm. At it widest (without accounting a couple stray hairs), the brush is 78mm. Height of the knot is 47mm. Height of the handle: 45mm. Diameter of the handle: 35mm

I tried face-lathering again yesterday. If I load the brush very very well (easily 4 times the amount of soap I would use with another brush) and I give the lathering a head start while loading, it's manageable. But I ended up with a giant mushroom of lather on the brush, that covered the handle and even part of my hands. What a mess.:D

Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-10-07 10:59
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snuff
From: Belgium
Posts: 69
I found it a good review but after looking at the prices :scared:

Problem is that brushes are so personal, one person can find it unbelievable and another doesn't like it. Recently I bought a Semogue Owners Club badger after reading a lot of good reviews but it's not my thing.
2011-10-07 11:27
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Robin
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The prices are actually a joke compared to what certain well known (or well hyped) manufacturers charge. And you should keep in mind that a well cared for brush (and by well cared for I mean "do not do any of the things Bart or Ralfy do, ie do not overheat them, do not expose them to stress, shampoo them once a week") can last decades without losing any of its performance.

As far as the personal aspect is concerned, yes, there is an element of truth to that. Some people like wooden handles, or ivory, or extra long or short ones. Me, I am concerned with one thing only, and that is performance. I get - repeatedly and consistently - better results when using a certain shaving bowl than when face lathering. So I use that shaving bowl. And I find it hard to understand why anyone else would sacrifice functionality for idiosyncrasies.

Speaking of which, and just because Bart suggested that the extreme fan shape of his brush might have something to do with his inability to achieve adequate lather with it, I tried my travel brush this morning. You can see its extreme bulb shape in the picture below. And, yes, it is apparently easier to face lather with a bulb than a fan.



But coming back to performance: I see no difference between a two band and a regular Thäter brush. So if you can live without the added backbone of the two band, you probably should. One has to keep in mind that we are at the beginning of a little hype here. Two band hair is rare, and therefore expensive. Some people like to brag with their expensive stuff (I do not, by the way), and have been hyping their Simpson and Plisson two banders for a long time. Now that Thäter is offering two band brushes at affordable prices, many will want one. But that does not mean that you need one. At all. In all honesty, if you are mainly concerned with price, get a regular brush, because you will be even harder pressed to find any brush that matches a Thäter one in the price/performance ratio. Shavemac, the other German manufacturer, comes to mind, but not Simpson, Plisson or - heaven forbid - one of the forum darlings selling Chinese mass produced knots in dysfunctional handles.

Regards,
Robin
2011-10-07 12:18
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Pieter Ketelings (Pithor)
From: Finland
Posts: 89
iconRobin:
...one of the forum darlings selling Chinese mass produced knots in dysfunctional handles.


I assume you are referring to the 'Custom made resin stuffed with luxurious silvertip from TGN' brushes that come in more limited editions yearly than Spyker ever produced cars. I myself have a TGN knot brush, in a long olive wood handle, since I was looking for a decent brush at a decent price with a long handle. The $40 including shipping was a good price, I wouldn't have paid more anyway. And it is a decent brush for bowl lathering, face lathering is slightly troublesome, and it's a bit of a lather hog, not releasing as much as I would like. But worth the price I paid, I guess.

I'm still trying out a bit, and started experimenting with some boar brush, have to see how that works out. If/when I would buy a high-end brush, I would probably go for a Thäter, being so far the least hyped higher-end brush I've seen; unless you would count Robin's and Bart's reviews and SRP recent group buy as the start of a hype.

Oh, and I just happened to notice that The Different Scent have sadly increased their prices on Thäters somewhere during the last two weeks, or maybe just for the Kugel I's, since that was really the only brush I remember the old price of. I noticed a €15 increase on those. Too bad, since they are among the few retailers offering them online. Edit: just noticed SRD still carries them at arount €100. But then there's international shipping. You just cant have your pie and eat it, I guess.

To me, €100 for a shaving brush sounds like a lot of money to spend already, but then again I am aware that quite a bit of work goes into the manufacture and that it is a luxury item designed to last for quite some time. Maybe when I find a new job :lol:

Meh, I guess I'm just living up to my nickle polishing Dutch nature, so I'll stop whining.
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Put on the Sunday roast!
2011-10-07 14:05
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Wim Decraene (decraew)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 447
iconPithor:
I'm still trying out a bit, and started experimenting with some boar brush, have to see how that works out.


Since I've discovered horsehair brushes, I'm completely done with boar. Try one, as long as you're experimenting.

Of course, since I received my Thäter(s), I'm done with the horsehair brush as well :-/
2011-10-07 14:23
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Pah!

Thater brushes are not expensive, you want expensive? check this puppy out:

http://www.fendrihan.com/plisson-high-mountain-white-shaving-brush-horn-handle-size-p-1107.html?cPath=116_3_66

Point taken? good :)

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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2011-10-07 14:34
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Pieter Ketelings (Pithor)
From: Finland
Posts: 89
icontat2Ralfy:
Pah!

Thater brushes are not expensive, you want expensive? check this puppy out:

http://www.fendrihan.com/plisson-high-mountain-white-shaving-brush-horn-handle-size-p-1107.html?cPath=116_3_66


Pfff, I already have, like, three of those. :rolleyes:
Loose, footloose!
Put on the Sunday roast!
2011-10-07 15:06
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Robin
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Well, badger hair -while actually a by-product of crispy badger with rice - is becoming scarce. Prices have been rising quite dramatically lately, so if you want one, now is as good a moment to buy one as any.

As for the hype, just don't believe it. When I first recommended Thäter brushes to a major US vendor, their response was, "Meh, it's just another brush". Months later, he finally succumbed to my incessant whingeing, got two - and ordered the full line immediately. But just means that someone who has tried a lot of brushes finds that Thäter brushes provide better value for money than others. But they are not magic, and sooner or later someone will receive one that sheds hair. Do keep in mind that the Thäter company are three elderly people totally dedicated to their craft - but they are still human. And, if you allow me a personal note, extremely charming and knowledgeable.

Regards,
Robin
2011-10-07 15:32