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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Robin Whinge?

Never! :lol:

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2011-10-07 15:43
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Pieter Ketelings (Pithor)
From: Finland
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Well, I have four brushes at the moment, one Plisson pure badger I got with my first strop - a small Dovo Prima Rindleder (I still quite like both brush and strop, btw) - the TGN silvertip one with the insanely long handle (pretty good bowl latherer), a synthetic Bodyshop brush I got as a gift and mainly use as a talc brush (since it doesn't really hold water or whip up lather that well) and the boar I got to play around with, see how it works. So I'm pretty much set for now and not actively looking into getting a new brush at the moment, but if I would be, I'd definately go for a Thäter, considering their price and the commendable craftsmanship compared to other high-end/popular brushes as I understood from reading reviews and opinions.

So back to the Thäter: how do you guys find the two band compares to the three band?

I got the idea that there's a minor increase in backbone with two-band and the rest is pretty much it being more exclusive and at least €30 more expensive. If I'd have a spare €250 lying around in the seating of the couch I'd try it out for myself, of course.
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2011-10-07 17:18
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250€? You mean 250USD, and that is for the insanely big one. Of all the brushes currently available, I would go for the 4125/1 I 24mm Two Band Finest Silver Tip Fan. I like the added backbone of the two band hair, I like the fan shape for precision, and I like the size because it is easy to manoeuvre while offering - thanks to the fan shape - lots and lots of coverage. And that one is 166.99 U.S. dollars = 123.778816 Euros.

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2011-10-07 18:37
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Pieter Ketelings (Pithor)
From: Finland
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The €250 remark was more meant as 'I buy at least a two band fan and a bulb, and then do a comparative investigation of my own'. :P

Either way I'd probably go smaller, since I sport a fair deal of facial hair and, I have the silvertip in 22 mm diam. bulbish and would be very reluctant in going anything over a 24 bulb or 22/23 fan, as I understand they tend to bloom wider. And thereby save myself another $10 B).
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2011-10-07 18:46
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Paul
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From: United States
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There's been a lot said since I've been here last.

Yes, this brush is, in my humble opinion, the best brush and by extension the best premium brush value on the market. No, it's not magic, but I would, and have, recommended it to people who have interest in only owning one brush. If you have brushes, and they're performing well, there's no need to get this brush. But, if someone is in the market for one brush only (especially if open to premium quality kit), this is likely what I'd recommend.

But, don't believe the hype ;)
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2011-10-07 20:19
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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^^^^^^ What he said :thumbup:

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2011-10-07 20:52
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Paul
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From: United States
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Just got a text from a buddy who showed another model not carried by SRD, exclusive to Royal Shave, and at even more attractive prices it seems :)

Thäter 2 Band 4424/X
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2011-10-07 21:02
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Marek Bednarz (maro)
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From: Poland
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iconPaul:
But, if someone is in the market for one brush only...
Actually, I am. A brush was on my wish-list for birthday/saint's-day/Christmas/Easter presents and my girlfriend decided that this time it will be a brush. Luckily, I can select it myself. :D
So the thread came up just in time.
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Robin, as I'm inclined to rely on your opinion regarding shaving gear selection, I think I'll go for your recommendation.
I just need to find a supplier of this model somewhere in EU.
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2011-10-07 22:23
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Robin
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iconmaro:
I just need to find a supplier of this model somewhere in EU.
I don't think there is one. At least the usual suspects do not have them in stock (yet). This might take a few months.
2011-10-07 22:29
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Marek Bednarz (maro)
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I'll wait then or ask friends travelling home from US to bring one.
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2011-10-11 19:39
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Paul
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So, after further consideration, something just seems fishy about those Thäter brushes on Royal. The new logo on those at SRD is actually much improved and befitting their quality. The others are the old logo. With prices that cheap and the old logo, something just doesn't seem right about that.:huh:
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2011-10-13 20:36
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Robin
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Let me put it like this, Paul: Currently there is only one authorised source for Thäter's regular Two Band brushes, namely Straight Razor Designs. Additionally, they have produced a Limited Edition for Straight Razor Place. Any other Thäter brushes currently offered or sold as "Two Band Finest Silver Tip" are in fact three band brushes cut into form to resemble the looks of a two band brush, and the grade of the hairs used in these brushes is "fine badger", not "silver tip".
2011-10-14 16:09
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PeterRoyalShave
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Dear Robin,
I am Peter, owner of Royal Shave. I have to respond to your post. I do not know why you are saying the brushes are not Silvertip. We ordered Silvertip, the invoice said Silvertip, and the brushes are Silvertip. Or do you think Thäter says Silvertip on their invoice and then sends something different? And they are, as confirmed by Mr. Schuldes from Thäter, their own two band style badger hair. Not some cut-into-shape-hair.

As far as I understand you live in Germany. I will be in Germany end of next week, and I am more than happy to bring some of those brushes with me, so you can see for yourself they are Silvertip. Please contact me via info@royalshave.com to arrange the details.

Maybe Straight Razor Designs (SRD) is carrying a different, higher quality of Silvertip in the two band style, and therefore it makes sense to be more expansive.
2011-10-16 01:16
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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Welcome Peter,

Thank you for enlisting with our forum and posting additional information to clear up any possible misunderstandings about the brushes listed on your website. I see no reason to doubt the genuinely of your brushes or the information you provided about them on your website. The brush I tested also caries the previous logo, by the way.

Your post is much appreciated and in the best interest of our members.

Best regards,
Bart.
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2011-10-16 01:34
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PeterRoyalShave
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Please let me add a few quotes from the Forum Straight Razor Place in regards to two band brushes:

Please see the Thread: What is meant by a 2 band brush?

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A two band brush refers to the layers, or bands of color in the bristles. Hence a two band will have, typically, the light tips of the bristles and the darker area of the knot. A three band will go from light tips to darker middle band and then lighter again before the knot enters the handle.

Comparing like size (height, primarily) brushes the two bands are thought by some to be more desirable. Share Share this post onDiggDel.icio.usTechnoratiTwitterReddit! Reply With Quote .
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Basically the middle base of a 2 band badger brush is darker and the tips are longer and white. The hair is also thicker.

In fact all badger hair is 3 band to start with. So what we end up calling 2 band is in fact a 3 band badger hair that's just thicker hair that features a darker and more black looking middle band and whiter tips (top part).

When the hair gets knotted and fitted in the handle, the bottom part gets buried deeper in the handle so it actually gives you a 2 band appearance. It is not uncommon to see some 2 bands that actually have some lighter bottom part sticking out. It's still considered a 2 band.

The main difference will be in the feel of the hair. A 2 band badger hair is stiffer, more resilient but with very soft tips.

It is also supposed to be from the badger's winter coat and from the badgers that reside higher up in the mountains where it does get colder too.


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