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life2short1971
From: United States
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I just received this stone from Maurice at Ardennes as a replacement for one I bought that was unuable for razors from an online vendor and was told no refunds no exchanges. I couldn't believe how fast and courteous Maurice was with a replacement coticule and Slurry stone.
Anyway the stone is somewhat fast on slurry turning it gray quickly and always having a whispy sound even water only. It does auto slurry. And little orange dots uniformly cover the surface of the stone and visible mainly wet. La Grise? Thank you all.



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Scott
2011-10-21 21:12
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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It's a La Dressante. Recently several have turned up with these partial gray hue. Almost as if a piece of BBW has been dissolved in the yellow rock. The ones I've tried were all quite fast with amazing feedback and a very nice finish.
I like these a lot and have been recommending as Coticules I can confidently predict the properties from.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-10-22 02:57
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life2short1971
From: United States
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Ok Your right on the speed and feedback. Thanks Bart.
Scott
2011-10-22 03:04
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clovis
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Slightly off thread, I'm interested why/how the previous stone wasn't usable for razors? I'm struggling with my first coti (a bout) and so far have failed to get anywhere - skills issue, I'm watching the videos (thanks guys!) - but was intrigued when I stumbled across your comment.
2011-10-22 07:52
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life2short1971
From: United States
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Thats probably a question I should answer in detail so Maurice isn't flooded with defective coticule emails. haha

When I received the stone i was in love with it and you can see by the swirls that it is several layers all mixing together and they unfortunately were of different hardness and and very granular. As I would lap the surface perfectly flat and start honing small bits of the coticule would dislodge and roll around on the surface while I was honing and it sounded like I was honing on coarse sand. I could not lap it and get more than a minutes worth of honing before something would come loose and roll around. If I made a slurry it sounded like I put a handful of pebbles on the stone to make slurry with and I would be left with a serrated edge. I lapped several mm off the coticule and it did not get any better so I contacted Maurice who replied to return the stone to him and he would exchange it which he did promptly. I am quite impressed with the level of service since I did not buy the stone directly from him but a reseller online.


Scott
2011-10-22 08:36
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life2short1971
From: United States
Posts: 386
Clovis if you are in the US you are welcome to send me your stone and razor and i will hone your razor on that stone and provide you with detailed instructions on exactly what steps to take to get the most from your stone as a beginner. All I ask is you pay shipping both ways.
But first exactly what is the condition of the bevel on the razor? Where did you get the razor and was it ever shave ready?
Scott
2011-10-22 08:43
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clovis
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Thanks for the explanation - geology can be tricky stuff. I'm usually based in the UK but spend a lot of time in other locations, Ralfy honed one of my razors an old Sheffield J&H Hounam earlier in the year but I've not yet had an opportunity to shave with it yet - geography can be a tricky thing too. I tried three razors on my bout a Dovo 'diamond steel' which has shaved me well off man made hones, a George Butler that belonged to my wife's grandfather which I've had longest and I've always found to be a nice shaver (again previous honing on manmade stones) and a Timor with is new to me and I've never honed before. Like everything else, skill comes through practice.
2011-10-22 11:31
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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Scott,

I've seen three (yours included) Coticules so far with orange dots. Mind, orange, not pink dots or other colors. One came to me from a member who had trouble with it. The other one I spotted at Ardennes, where it was kept apart as a suspect stone. But I found it a beautiful one and brought it home for testing. It's n°27 of the Vault.


In both cases the orange dots took small chips out the edge of a razor, hardly visible to the naked eye but clear under magnification.
The original report is here: http://www.coticule.be/the-cafeteria/message/3284.html
There's some more talk about it here: http://www.coticule.be/the-cafeteria/message/9987.html
And on a tangent also in this thread (with a clear picture of the orange specks):http://www.coticule.be/the-cafeteria/topic/790.html

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-10-22 13:52
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life2short1971
From: United States
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I can be kinda slow in the morning Bart. The bout I returned is what you are comparing to?
Scott
2011-10-22 14:04
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconlife2short1971:
I can be kinda slow in the morning Bart. The bout I returned is what you are comparing to?

Have a cup of coffee, my friend.:)
Yes, I was comparing to the stone you had replaced. I think I can see similar orange dots on the picture you posted.

good morning,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-10-22 14:24
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life2short1971
From: United States
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Yes you are correct it had the dots in a deposit as well as scattered and that deposit is what would scatter when making slurry and leave an uneven surface so to speak. The dots were also through out the surface and would roll around like pebbles. I never inspected them closeup to me all that mattered was I could not lap through them to usable stone. It was a beautiful stone to hold so I was heartbroken. Well until the replacement from Maurice came. I'm ok with it now. haha
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Scott
2011-10-22 14:35
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life2short1971
From: United States
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Bart if you know who has the other stones this may be of interest. Thanks,scott

I have an unbelievably smooth and keen edge edge finishing on this stone with a somewhat heavy mineral oil. I am talking magical shave.
The only mineral oil I have found locally was at the pharmacy section of my Walmart but its labeled 100% mineral oil. Anyway I put just enough on the face of stone where the oil could remain fluid but did not run down the sides of the stone. It just sat on top. I did probably 75 -100 or so finishing strokes and then stropped on linen and leather when finished honing. I would also recommend cleaning stone and starting fresh for each blade as the face of the stone released a fair amount of swarf when cleaning with soap and water.
The blade was a Heljestrand 13 1/2 hollow which has been somewhat challenging getting the edge I know it should take.It now is perfect.
Scott
2011-10-23 19:29
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Emmanuel Giannoulakis (Emmanuel)
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From: Greece
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Hi my friend Scott.Large time elapsed from our last conversation.I can accept that some times you get
a good edge using mineral oil but i am sure that you can reach the same edge quality on clear water too.I believe that the dilucot procedure before the finishing on oil was that which gave you the smooth and keen edge and the magical shave.Do you remember the exact dilucot before the last finishing ? Be sure that if an edge after dilucot is not decent neither oil can help you.
Best regards
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Giannoulakis
from Athens Greece
2011-10-23 20:01
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life2short1971
From: United States
Posts: 386
Thank you for posting Emmanuel my friend and I accept that theoretically I should be able to produce the same edge on water alone but in the real world I have not as yet produced a an edge that shaved that smoothly and exceptionally keenly on water alone but have produced it with mineral oil. The reason for my post is perhaps there are people who may also be able to create very nice edges on their stone with water alone but have not as of yet obtained a magical shave and perhaps the mineral oil would help them as well. And I would also like to add the bar is quite high for me to call a shave magical and have tried many edges from quite a few stones on this razor and the jump in quality is one I thought worth sharing with others who like myself do not possess the skill level any where close to that of yourself.It is good to hear from you my friend. Stay in touch.
Scott
2011-10-23 20:41
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Emmanuel Giannoulakis (Emmanuel)
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From: Greece
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I will be with you Scott if is achieved a dream edge on mineral oil. However the result counts.
Best regards
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Giannoulakis
from Athens Greece
2011-10-23 22:01