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Matt
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From: Poland
Posts: 1030
iconvgeorge:
I am told at straightrazorplace.com, which I don't follow much and have not verified, there has been a vigorous push back to Carter's video.


Vigorous push back - it just couldn't be put in a more courteous manner...
"Very interesting indeed :) I did something similar with cheese a while ago" - Dr Ralfson
2011-11-13 01:00
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danjared
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From: United States
Posts: 1000
iconPaul:
The video made me very curious to try one of his edges, but I will not be paying a man to hone my razors :)


Well, he does make and sell his own razors. If you have four Benjamins sitting around... http://www.cartercutlery.com/japanese-knives/other-products
2011-11-13 01:19
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Unfortunately, I don't... But even if I did, I have almost certainly bought my last custom razor over a year ago :)
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-11-13 02:10
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meltond
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I am writing to defend Murray's sharpening of straight razors. I have shaved with my own straight razor that was hand sharpened my Murray and stropped on news paper. In fact, I shaved with it Saturday and had a great and comfortable shave. I also have a straight razor restored and sharpened, and stropped by Brad or udream. I also have shaved with this razor many, many times. Honestly, they are both great, and comfortable shaves.
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2011-11-14 21:49
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Emmanuel Giannoulakis (Emmanuel)
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From: Greece
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You welcome in coticule .be my friend . No doubt you said the truth.
But personally i am a mulish Greek and i don't like to replace my beautiful strops by newpapers.
It is like to replace your nice boots by a pair of cardboard.
Enjoy your membership .
Best regards
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Giannoulakis
from Athens Greece
2011-11-14 22:10
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Welcome from me too
I don't think you will much need to defend Murrays honing ability here, we are a pretty open minded bunch :thumbup:

And I know Brad does some beautiful work Too

Best regards
Ralfson (Dr)
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2011-11-14 23:46
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vgeorge
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iconmeltond:
I am writing to defend Murray's sharpening of straight razors. I have shaved with my own straight razor that was hand sharpened my Murray and stropped on news paper. In fact, I shaved with it Saturday and had a great and comfortable shave. I also have a straight razor restored and sharpened, and stropped by Brad or udream. I also have shaved with this razor many, many times. Honestly, they are both great, and comfortable shaves.


Let me also add a warm welcome. As Ralfy said, we are quite open to new ideas and possibilities. Even when we stick to something 'traditional', we would not want to put down novel ways of doing things.

Brad has issued this friendly challenge to Murray, we know. However, have you had a chance to compare the techniques of these two gentlemen, and what have you gathered as the essential nuances (other than, of course,the obvious differences in the video)?

Thanks!

George
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Proud owner of Franz Kline Coticule from Ardennes via Bart
Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-11-15 03:37
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rtedwards
From: United States
Posts: 43
I found the video interesting. Much has been said on other forums, but I didn't find him arrogant or antagonistic. Clearly he is confident in his skills and clearly he has many skills. I find the shaving with spoons and other random household objects kind of silly and overly theatrical, but he has a business to promote I guess. As for this particular technique I think he can definitely get a razor sharp enough to shave with, but it didn't look very comfortable to me. With my tough whiskers and tender skin I think I'd be hurting. But each to his own. Only negative comment I have on his technique is that the blade angle seemed really high for some strokes, more like scraping than cutting. That works but takes a toll on both skin and edge. I've set bevels and done preliminary sharpening on some things many people would consider inappropriate for razors and it worked, although I finished and polished quite a bit more afterwards.
Rick Edwards
2011-11-15 06:57
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Undream
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I'm kind of disappointed that Carter hasn't approved my video response. It seems they've ignored it :(

I was really looking forward to hearing what he had to say about my edge...and then shaving with his, assuming he was willing to send it back!

Maybe there is still hope...
2011-11-15 14:17
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vgeorge
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Sorry to hear that. Yes, let us hope, the logistics will unclog and both of you will have a great interaction and we can learn from the best of both of you.
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Hoping for Edge, Working on Bevel. © 2010
2011-11-15 14:47
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
I would actually be quite surprised if he accepted the challenge, and I can hardly say that I blame him. There's literally nothing for him to benefit from the exercise. That doesn't mean he's inadequate, but rather it means he's savvy. Michael Jordan was once pressured to play Magic Johnson in a game of 1 on 1. Being the ultimate individual basketball player, many assumed he'd jump at the opportunity to showcase his individual talents. Instead, he passed because there was no real upside but a huge potential downside... While I'm not saying Mr Carter is comparable to MJ, I am saying he has absolutely nothing to gain from such an exercise... I've turned down more than a couple similar challenges for similar reasons, but I've sent out many free honings and sent razors off for an objective evaluation. I find the honing contest type of challenges to be off-putting
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
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2011-11-15 15:49
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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iconUndream:
I'm kind of disappointed that Carter hasn't approved my video response. It seems they've ignored it :(

I was really looking forward to hearing what he had to say about my edge...and then shaving with his, assuming he was willing to send it back!

Maybe there is still hope...

Maybe you can try contacting Mr. Carter through the contact form on his website. I don't know the man personally, but I would think he'd accept your "edge exchange" offer, that I don't see as a competition at all, but more as "comparing notes".
It's possible that stirring controversy is his strategy for the promotion of his business, but in any other case, I don't see why he should not be interested in your proposal.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2011-11-15 23:00
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Interestingly, I didn't see that video to be too much different than the challenge to swap razors on B&B with a loud detractor of coticule's abilities... I originally thought you should take him up on the challenge, but now think you did the "grown up" thing to pass on it.

Not that Brad was out of line per se, but the whole reaction created an environment that clearly isn't conducive to merely "comparing notes", IMHO.

Regards,

Paul
Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
my blog- and it works again :p
2011-11-16 14:59
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Paul
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From: United States
Posts: 1388
Looks like I was wrong...

Also, Varghese, it looks like I figured out that "agitator" thing :D

23 minutes of awesomesauce :w00t:

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Paul
"Focus on the journey, not the destination. Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it" - Greg Anderson
my blog- and it works again :p
2011-11-17 05:23
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Wim Decraene (decraew)
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From: Belgium
Posts: 440
I like the beginning of the video :lol:
2011-11-17 07:46