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Woodash
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WOW!! Nice job, Bart! I look forward to sitting down and reading the whole thing. For now, I only looked at the pictures ('Playboy' magazine method...). :P
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Steve
2010-10-05 15:33
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TM280
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Thanks for the article, Bart!
I believe your style really captures the tone of the weekend. And the shot of the large cutting bench has all the ambiance I remember of the workshop. Good choice!

regards,
Torolf
2010-10-05 18:05
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconTM280:
Thanks for the article, Bart!
I believe your style really captures the tone of the weekend. And the shot of the large cutting bench has all the ambiance I remember of the workshop. Good choice!

:rolleyes: Eh, honesty dictates to reveal that picture is actually photoshopped a bit (which is part of what I do professionally), to give it the nightly atmosphere we experienced when we were there after hours. I'm glad you confirmed that it now captures the right ambiance.:)

The original picture, by Hendrik, looks like this:


Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-10-06 02:17
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BlueDun
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STONE HIM ! HE SAID JEHOVA !!!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
2010-10-06 08:34
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Hendrik
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iconBart:
:rolleyes: Eh, honesty dictates to reveal that picture is actually photoshopped a bit (which is part of what I do professionally), to give it the nightly atmosphere we experienced when we were there after hours. I'm glad you confirmed that it now captures the right ambiance.:)

The original picture, by Hendrik, looks like this:


Kind regards,
Bart.


aahhhhhh Photoshop. It seams as Master Bart has many other skills to learn me than razor honing alone.. The number of times I already said I would start learning to use such a program (I actually had GIMP in mind, the cheapskate alternative)...
I am afraid though that I will have to keep this for my retirement, or at least for the day my kids move out of the house (which will not be Tomorrow considering their age is 4 and 2).

But then again, I suppose that if he is offering a free honing service, I can just as well send in my pictures for the free photoshop service. :thumbup:
2010-10-06 09:34
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geruchtemoaker
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I have photoshop I just need to learn how to work with it
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
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2010-10-06 09:59
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TM280
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Well, now you've given me something to think about, Bart. Maybe this is a given for those who use the software, but for me it is a new horizon: Photoshop is most commonly associated with falsifying, presenting something as it wasn't. Heightened skill providing the last nail in the coffin of "the camera never lies".

This example, of course, shows us something else. At least in my opinion. The use of photo alteration to express what was actually there, what the camera did not (perhaps could not) capture. We laugh at the silly natives who believe a camera can steal their soul. But, you have definitely captured something here, if only the lovely Chimay fog:P

regards,
Torolf
2010-10-06 10:05
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Hendrik
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icongeruchtemoaker:
I have photoshop I just need to learn how to work with it


Hurry up!

Do so before you find any kids at your doorstep :D
2010-10-06 10:05
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Hendrik
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iconTM280:
Well, now you've given me something to think about, Bart. Maybe this is a given for those who use the software, but for me it is a new horizon: Photoshop is most commonly associated with falsifying, presenting something as it wasn't. Heightened skill providing the last nail in the coffin of "the camera never lies".

This example, of course, shows us something else. At least in my opinion. The use of photo alteration to express what was actually there, what the camera did not (perhaps could not) capture. We laugh at the silly natives who believe a camera can steal their soul. But, you have definitely captured something here, if only the lovely Chimay fog:P

regards,
Torolf


Now let's not exagerate here, I think the original picture was a Masterpiece as such. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(disclaimer: this was a joke of course)

Seriously, I must confess that apart from my kids, another reason (or excuse) for not learning to Photoshop has been that I like the idea of not altering the original picture and trying to make as good a picture as possible to begin with.

Having said that, I indeed think Bart's version captures the spirit better than the original. Due to the "nighty" atmosphere, as well as the highlight of the "heart" of the picture, Maurice's workbench.
To be honest, I am convinced that such a picture, exactly Bart's version for that matter, can be shot just with a camera (even my camera) without needing any modification afterwards.
But in order to do this, you need a lot of knowledge and feeling, a lot of equipment (dedicated lights, reflectors, possibly remote flashes,...) and time to set all of this up.
I know for a fact I will never reach that level (and this has nothing to do with having kids).

And so I think there is room for both approaches. Even someone with all the needed knowledge does not necessarily have the time and equipment at hand to set everything up for that perfect shot. Nor might he possibly want to disturbe the environment with the needed equipment. For something that could just as well be done in 10 or so minutes by a skilled person behind a computer...
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2010-10-06 10:20
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Wonderful thread
Wonderful Write up
Wonderful Pictures

I hate you all!

(of course you should read that as love not hate :love: )

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Pip Pip Old Bean
2010-10-10 09:33
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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iconTM280:
Well, now you've given me something to think about, Bart. Maybe this is a given for those who use the software, but for me it is a new horizon: Photoshop is most commonly associated with falsifying, presenting something as it wasn't. Heightened skill providing the last nail in the coffin of "the camera never lies".


That is true, Torolf, but if you've ever shot a picture of a woman with make-up, or dyed hair, you've been hitting similar nails.
The only way to look at photography is to do it with the inclination of Rene Magritte, one of the great Belgian artists.


For those who speak no French, it says "This is no pipe".
Indeed it is not: it is the image of a pipe. A re-presentation.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-10-10 12:11
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Marek Bednarz (maro)
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Really wonderfull writing, Bart :thumbup:, although I'd swear I heard something like "Lepiej zadzwoń do Barta i powiedz mu że się spóźnimy" rather than "Dubrovsnja sabrinski Bart, kop y retardski”. :D
Licentia poetica, I guess. ;)

Two notes about mushrooms:
Note 1: Part of the credits should go to Rico who grilled them for us.
Note 2: You should see the distrust and restraint on your faces when Ania brought them from the forest and especially when they were served. :lol:

Thanks:
As you know, from Ardennes we drove to France with a trunk full of Belgian beer (the aim was to savour it back at home while recalling the time spent with you). Instead we drunk it all in France and Ania insisted upon driving back home via Belgium just to replenish the reserve.
Not only had I to take a roundabout way, but now she refuses to drink Polish beer.
So, thank you guys for spoiling my girlfriend. :sneaky:
“Progress comes to those who train and train; reliance on secret techniques will get you nowhere.” - Morihei Ueshiba
2010-10-12 22:24
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geruchtemoaker
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iconmaro:

So, thank you guys for spoiling my girlfriend. :sneaky:

I didn't know we obligated her to drink the almighty Belgian beers:confused:
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
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2010-10-12 22:31
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Marek Bednarz (maro)
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You didn't. She found it so tasty that we're drinking it every evening instead of French vine. :rolleyes:
OK, I was helping her to commit that offence. :blush:

The sentence about spoiling was a joke of course. I really enjoyed the weekend with you.
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“Progress comes to those who train and train; reliance on secret techniques will get you nowhere.” - Morihei Ueshiba
2010-10-12 22:39
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geruchtemoaker
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iconmaro:

The sentence about spoiling was a joke of course. I really enjoyed the weekend with you.

I got the irony/sarcasm
I really enjoyed it too
The Bible and several other self help or enlightenment books cite the Seven Deadly Sins. They are: pride, greed, lust, envy, wrath, sloth, and gluttony. That pretty much covers everything that we do, that is sinful... or fun for that matter. - Dave Mustaine
http://www.artisanshaving.org
2010-10-12 23:01