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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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iconBart:
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I go to SRP when I want to read about something other than coticules


I go to the local library when I want to read something else for a change.:lol:

Ah well, all this quarreling in the margin of a hobby, it is not worth the energy. I have learned that the hard way.
It's like driving a car through Belgian traffic. It doesn't help to get all worked up over it. Actually, that only makes the experience worse. It's much better to flip the internal switch to Zen-mode. I know, I know, that switch has a spring that makes it flip back at unsuspecting times.:rolleyes:


Kind regards,
Bart.
I agree :) I don't think the point is lost on you Bart :D


No, that post surely isn't lost on me. :D :D
Yet to every one else: let's not make too much drama of it. My wife asked twice last night: "What are you smiling over there?". :lol:
It's just shaving. Nothing to get all worked up about. I don't think I ever recommended a Coticule to anyone. But I can testify, from all sharpening methods and tools I ever tried, If find Coticules the most fun.
Unless I manage to saw of my hands in my wood shop, no one can take that away from me.

Kind regards,
Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-11-10 23:21
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Robin
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iconBart:
I don't think I ever recommended a Coticule to anyone. But I can testify, from all sharpening methods and tools I ever tried, If find Coticules the most fun.

I can attest to that. Both points, actually. I bought a full set of Nortons because a) they were recommended by everyone (it was before the Shapton hype), and b) because they were said to be super easy to use. I still find them awkward to use. I mean, they're Joe Chandler's so apparently they must work. But they never really did for me. They dry out too fast, and keeping them soaked is a pain. Also, I absolutely hate honing with the hone on a table. I'm not dexterous person, as Bart can tell you. But holding a hone in my hand works for me. With the big Nortons, that's a non-starter.

And that's what all this should be about. Stuff that works. I like stuff that works. Even more so when it works for me and not somebody else. I have not desire to become "proficient in honing". I want to be able to sharpen a razor, and keep it sharp. If a Coticule does the job for me, that's great. I like stuff that works in simple ways even better. Really.

I do not, however, like zeal, greed, sycophants, and pushers. Which is why I would like to repeat that I think this thread is missing the point. The problem isn't a particular forum (and if so, SRP most certainly is not the worst in kind by any stretch). Truth be told, I still think SRP is a great forum overall. But that's where it mostly ends. I have developed issues with other aspects of the site, but that is neither here nor there. I encourage you to read this article by Bruce Everiss, though: http://www.bruceonshaving.com/2010/10/11/traditional-shaving-forums/. It's the best analysis of shaving forums I know, and I fully agree with everything the author says, especially this:



Now, the real problem is vocal proponents of wrong solutions, especially those with vested interests. But these people are not an SRP problem, they are a shaving forum problem. Because they are on all the shaving forums. It's only natural, because that is where they acquire their projects. Believe me, if this site had a gallery (shave of the day, rape-orationru, whatever), they would be here, too. But this focus is research oriented, and false claims are quickly presented as that. So, no honesheisters here. I think that's great, but it does not make it a superior forum for anyone. Just for me, or people like me.

Regards,
Robin
2010-11-10 23:56
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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I miss the picture of the puppy! :cry:

Nice post Robin

Best regards
Ralfson (Humble Host Of WSW Vendor Free SOTD)
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Pip Pip Old Bean
2010-11-11 00:35
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BlacknTan
From: United States
Posts: 176
icontat2Ralfy:
I miss the picture of the puppy! :cry:

Nice post Robin

Best regards
Ralfson (Humble Host Of WSW Vendor Free SOTD)


And, Sir Ralfson is an excellent host..

The host with the most... Adapted, of course! B)
Better a diamond with a flaw than a polished pebble...
2010-11-11 00:40
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Bill!
Welcome my Brother :thumbup: good to see you here, I hope you like it?

Best wishes and SHAVE ON!.... LOL

Ralfson (Dr)
We Are All Pioneers In Our Own Right.
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Pip Pip Old Bean
2010-11-11 00:44
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BlacknTan
From: United States
Posts: 176
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Bill!
Welcome my Brother :thumbup: good to see you here, I hope you like it?

Best wishes and SHAVE ON!.... LOL

Ralfson (Dr)


Thanks Ralfy!

Hone on, my brutha....

Hone on! B)
Better a diamond with a flaw than a polished pebble...
2010-11-11 00:47
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Nick Fanzo (Disburden)
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Bart, I saw this elsewhere and found it relevant (or at least amusing):


LOL! Very funny.
2010-11-11 16:45
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Quick disclaimer:
I said I would not discuss the negative parts raised in this thread again, I am sorry to go back on my word here slightly, here is another interesting thread, started by a good friend of mine on another forum, I thought it might be interesting for some to see how some common players help to turn sour, it is not my intention to judge or discredit anyone with this, however I do feel that it is worth a read, please make of it what you will.

http://www.wetshavingworld.com/forums/showthread.php?447-Romancing-the-Stone

My Best Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
We Are All Pioneers In Our Own Right.
The Infamous Coticule Crew
Pip Pip Old Bean
2010-11-11 17:21
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Chris Calvé (wdwrx)
From: Canada
Posts: 703
Was there a reference to this thread I saw?:D

The Man pulled that line on me once, and I cried "Bullshit" then and I do now too.
Sorry if this seems arrogant coming from a n00b, but not everyone needs to do any one thing thuosands or hundreds of times to become proficient at it. I mean, I've built lots of houses, but not thousands, and not every one, and I'd sure say I'm PDG at it. The proccess of learning isn't to do everything, its about developing problem solving skills, and being able to adapt a known process to suit a new situation.... or create a new process.
Let's put this into perspective; we are talking about grinding a piece of metal against a stone. There are only so many variables. I find the insistence on having to do hundreds of anything to be good at it specious at best, and insulting at worst.
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2010-11-11 18:03
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Bart Torfs (Bart)
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From: Belgium
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The God of all hones! :D :D :D :D

I like that. :thumbup:

I don't know why these guys are so religious about sharpening razors. And even less why they are so zealously defensive about their own sharpening dogmas. We see the same tricks pulled out the hat, each time again, to stall any sensible conversation about sharpening with a Coticule, or with any other simple sharpening setup, for that matter.

About a year ago, JimR started a thread on Coticule.be about sharpening razors on (one) Japanese hone. Without putting words in Jim's mouth, I don't think that he ended up starting that thread over here, without good reason. Instead of torpedoing this thread about another type of hone, we chose to welcome and support it. There was one moderation call made, after someone started to derail the thread by filling it with nonsensical so-called "observations". This thread became one of the largest on Coticule.be, and JimR was invited to distill an article out of it, now published at the Sharpening Academy. Now. Is this a better or a worse way to sharpen a razor? My answer to that question is that I don't give a fuck. :P There are many ways to sharpen a razor, what shaves your face best is a matter of personal preference. And which hone(s) you want to use for that, is no-one's business but your own.

Shave on my friends, :thumbup:

Bart.
Then the light shone, trumpets sounded and I got to the other side, where men shave with smiles on their faces, razors pop hairs, and a continuous choir singing «~~Keen and Smooth~~» is heard everywhere. (Matt)
2010-11-11 19:50
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DENNIS KELLY (DJKELLY)
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From: United States
Posts: 774
icontat2Ralfy:
Quick disclaimer:
I said I would not discuss the negative parts raised in this thread again, I am sorry to go back on my word here slightly, here is another interesting thread, started by a good friend of mine on another forum, I thought it might be interesting for some to see how some common players help to turn sour, it is not my intention to judge or discredit anyone with this, however I do feel that it is worth a read, please make of it what you will.

http://www.wetshavingworld.com/forums/showthread.php?447-Romancing-the-Stone

My Best Regards
Ralfson (Dr)


Wow, Ralphy! I am blown away at the depth of your involvement in the shaving world. Looking at said thread I am also amazed at the incestuous relationships of some of the inner circle. Boy, am I a boot. It is nice to see how balanced you are, my friend, in the middle of contentious situations, and a little disconcerting to witness ego getting in the way of honest debate, no matter how well it is disguised. Pigs and lipstick come to mind. I would love to see these guys take up golf and debate mastering that endeavor. BTW, I second the gent with good hands. Your friend, Denny
STAMP OUT QUICKSAND
2010-11-11 20:03
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Dr Ralfson Bwhahaha (tat2Ralfy)
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Hahahaha

see how the back pedalling starts once confronted? and then lets enter into a half assed airy chat about some side issue
there not half as "powerful" when they are confronted, and not on there home ground.

Denny thank you

Regards
Ralfson (Dr)
We Are All Pioneers In Our Own Right.
The Infamous Coticule Crew
Pip Pip Old Bean
2010-11-11 20:15
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TM280
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From: Norway
Posts: 270
In the face of what appears to be bizarre (if we discount cynically self-interested or just downright mean-spirited) behaviour given the latest threads on the net concerning coticules, there is little I can say that if worth reading. But, therefore, I offer a little gem for your perusal (let absurdity be absurdity):
http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/

regards,
Torolf
2010-11-12 00:23
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Robin
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Oh, lovely, a Zombie thread. Anyone got a wooden stake?

Right. Let me begin by reminding everyone of a piece of advice as old as the internet itself. "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded." Let's take it from here.

"Thousands of razors honed", is just another way of whining that your daddy is bigger than my daddy. It is not an argument. It is not even contradiction. It is just bragging. And it does not prove anything at all. Except maybe that you are a bit slow on the uptake. Because a lot of the so called variables invoked to explain how horribly complex this art of honing is (and why you should always have your razors honed by a so called professional) can be scientifically deducted from the tools used.

On a tangent, as soon as you qualify as a certified honesheister according to the arcane rules of the inner honesheister circle (hint: hone 100 razors on each stone, minimum - it will keep you from asking awkward questions in shaving forums, and make vendors happy), somebody will up the ante. Next time, it will have to be thousands of razors honed!!!

Which brings me to two other points: maths and mineralogy. Many aspects of honing become clear fairly quickly once you understand the science involved. Since we're already busy digging up old threads, how about this one? http://www.straightrazorplace.com/forums/advanced-honing-topics/37951-fun-verniers-calipers-tape.html It can easily be summed up as, 'Respect has to be earned. It does not come free with multiple exclamation marks.

To sum this up, the easiest way of dealing with a cyber bully is to ignore him. He will not go away, of course, but you should not give him the satisfaction of spoiling your mood. Like, this one actually made me chuckle. That guy seems to have more Eschers he wants to sell at premium prices than sense. Very entertaining. Very.

Regards,
Robin
2010-11-12 16:13
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Chris Calvé (wdwrx)
From: Canada
Posts: 703
hahah
Well, I'm surely a contender for the Special Olympics! Sham suckered me in good. (He's got verbatim postings on both B&B and SRP.) But then i can be a bit of an argumentative prick.... It's my Don Quixote complex, I guess.:D
2010-11-12 16:49